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those people realize that this so-called fiscal cliff, but there is a reason why these tax cuts camp -- come up every year. it is so they can keep debating over the american people, to allow the american people to pay super rich people's america -- their taxes. i just do not get what people do not understand that this is why it comes up every year. that is what we will keep doing. this is what they are fighting for. it is wild. sexting dollar trillion of debt is bush and obama tax cuts -- $16 trillion that is the bush tax cuts that keep coming up. the medicare plan be. that is the other is trillion dollars. we cannot rely on the american people to allow this to happen. host: a prediction of a possible vote later on today -- the a p noted in a story earlier this morning that tea party senators did approve, some of them, a couple of them, did approve this deal earlier this morning in the senate. also, the ap report in this morning that officials also decided at the last minute to use the measure to prevent a $900 pay raise for lawmakers to take effect this spring. that is something our
those people realize that this so-called fiscal cliff, but there is a reason why these tax cuts camp -- come up every year. it is so they can keep debating over the american people, to allow the american people to pay super rich people's america -- their taxes. i just do not get what people do not understand that this is why it comes up every year. that is what we will keep doing. this is what they are fighting for. it is wild. sexting dollar trillion of debt is bush and obama tax cuts -- $16...
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cliff we are facing and the elimination of the tax cuts. a lot of the small business owners i talked to and know are in favor of keeping the tax cuts in place especially for the middle class. we believe in balanced approach and we think it's ok to allow the elimination of the tax cuts for the wealthy. as taxes increase, the taxes at my business will be effected and i will have less to pay for investments and new equipment, hiring new people, but personally my income tax rates will go up. it's already a financially constrained environment. but customers tax rates will go up creating less demand for my products and less revenue for me and less tax revenue for the government. i want to urge congress and senators to vote for keeping our tax cuts in place, especially for the middle class and pushing our fiscal crisis to a balanced approach. go ahead and eliminate those tax cuts for the wealthiest individuals. if we all look at it and tried to consider what was going to work for the best, we needed to look at consumer demand. consumer demand is i
cliff we are facing and the elimination of the tax cuts. a lot of the small business owners i talked to and know are in favor of keeping the tax cuts in place especially for the middle class. we believe in balanced approach and we think it's ok to allow the elimination of the tax cuts for the wealthy. as taxes increase, the taxes at my business will be effected and i will have less to pay for investments and new equipment, hiring new people, but personally my income tax rates will go up. it's...
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cliff is just a minor blip with you in the long run they actually won a large chunk of what they've been after? >> we're going to have to see what is the impact in the the days ahead. can the republicans somehow turn that around? they certainly, inside the white house believe just the opposite because they believe that john boehner was sort of out maneuvered here, he had been pressing the president, pressing the president for some of his issues and what boehner may have forgotten is at the end of the day if there's no action by the congress, all of the bush tax rates are expiring, so the president is going to get what he's wanted in this debate all along, which is that taxes are going up on the rich and-- >> the president's outmaneuvered the republicans from the very beginning on this. >> ed doesn't have to answer that question. >> and kimberly, we're going to give you the last question, before we go to mike emanuel. >> i have a civilized question for mr. henry. >> and civilized-- >> my goodness, bob. >> it sounds worse than the negotiations on the hill. >> it's worse, thank goodnes
cliff is just a minor blip with you in the long run they actually won a large chunk of what they've been after? >> we're going to have to see what is the impact in the the days ahead. can the republicans somehow turn that around? they certainly, inside the white house believe just the opposite because they believe that john boehner was sort of out maneuvered here, he had been pressing the president, pressing the president for some of his issues and what boehner may have forgotten is at...
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host: what led to the fiscal cliff? guest: the fiscal cliff is the combination of a bunch of different tax and spending decisions made by washington, dating back over the past 12 years. we had the bush tax cuts that began in 2001 and 2003. we extended them under president obama. those are set to end on monday. $110 billion in annual spending cuts were agreed to under president obama as part of the debt ceiling negotiation. those begin on tuesday. we have the payroll tax cut in place for two years, takes about two percentage points off people's taxes, bill will end on monday. business tax breaks, bill will end on monday. the alternative minimum tax, which is confusing, but it would be a disaster if that was not taken care of, because it would raise the taxes of about 30 million americans for their 2012 income and 2013. and all the confusion could screw up the whole tax filing season. who knows when you will be filing your taxes, because the irs does not know which tax rates will be applied and who will be responsible for
host: what led to the fiscal cliff? guest: the fiscal cliff is the combination of a bunch of different tax and spending decisions made by washington, dating back over the past 12 years. we had the bush tax cuts that began in 2001 and 2003. we extended them under president obama. those are set to end on monday. $110 billion in annual spending cuts were agreed to under president obama as part of the debt ceiling negotiation. those begin on tuesday. we have the payroll tax cut in place for two...
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let's take a look at the so-called fiscal cliff. the bush tax cuts will expire. everyone, even republicans know if we go over the cliff, the bush tax cuts will be restored for at least 98% of americans. payroll taxes will go back to normal in 2013. the payroll tax cut was always intended to be a temporary measure. the alternative minimum tax would hit middle class americans. year after year, this has been fixed by lawmakers and like everything else notice fiscal cliff, it can be done retroactively. the harshest effects of spending cuts could be modified in the first month or two of 2013. in fact, the defense department, the irs and other government agencies are planning no immediate changes because they're anticipating some kind of deal. that leaves the unemployed, extended unemployment insurance will expire immediately if we go over the cliff. a deal later in january could theoretically restore extended benefits, the immediate damage will have already been done. for many people, this is all an interesting charade. but for the unemployed it's the real deal. get y
let's take a look at the so-called fiscal cliff. the bush tax cuts will expire. everyone, even republicans know if we go over the cliff, the bush tax cuts will be restored for at least 98% of americans. payroll taxes will go back to normal in 2013. the payroll tax cut was always intended to be a temporary measure. the alternative minimum tax would hit middle class americans. year after year, this has been fixed by lawmakers and like everything else notice fiscal cliff, it can be done...
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the spending cuts and tax hikes are expected to take effect. >> the night before the fiscal cliff. the senate gave up until tomorrow. >> there is still time to reach an agreement. >> they dropped the demand to cut social security. >> i am optimistic we can live move legislation and get this averted before tomorrow. >> the taxes will go up on most americans. huge cuts kick in. >> i think it is obvious president obama wants us to go over the fiscal cliff. >> president obama blamed republicans. >> they say the biggest priority is making sure they deal with the deficit in a significant way. they are behaving in a way that they're only priority is that the tax breaks for the wealthiest americans are protected. blacks mitch mcconnell is vowing to find out. -- >> mitch mcconnell is vowing to find out. >> can the senate veteran help congress tumble to a deal on the last day? >> if we do go off the fiscal cliff, congress would be more likely to make a deal. members could claim they are cutting taxes. >> thank you. if america does fall off the fiscal cliff on the first of the year, maryland
the spending cuts and tax hikes are expected to take effect. >> the night before the fiscal cliff. the senate gave up until tomorrow. >> there is still time to reach an agreement. >> they dropped the demand to cut social security. >> i am optimistic we can live move legislation and get this averted before tomorrow. >> the taxes will go up on most americans. huge cuts kick in. >> i think it is obvious president obama wants us to go over the fiscal cliff....
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it cannot be part of the fiscal cliff at all. if there is one, it will be a figleaf. something small to get people political coverage to cut the tax increases to be canceled. host: why is it so much harder today than it was in 1986, when her of writing was able to forge a compromise on tax reform? guest: where do you want to start? communications are very different now. the internet, cable tv, informing people differently. you have a different situation with the leadership. the 1986 tax act took three years to enact. congress was a lot less partisan, the country was less divided. also, that was different in the sense that it was opposed to be revenue neutral. at the end of the day, whenever they changed, it would bring in the same amount. now there is a general consensus that tax reform will have to bring in more revenue. that makes it a far more difficult process. in addition, the country has gotten older. more people are on medicare and social security and medicaid. that is where the voting power is, and that makes things but more difficult. guest: when you are look
it cannot be part of the fiscal cliff at all. if there is one, it will be a figleaf. something small to get people political coverage to cut the tax increases to be canceled. host: why is it so much harder today than it was in 1986, when her of writing was able to forge a compromise on tax reform? guest: where do you want to start? communications are very different now. the internet, cable tv, informing people differently. you have a different situation with the leadership. the 1986 tax act...
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cliff drama. most americans could see a rise in taxes and government spending cuts if government does not reach a deal before year's end, and i want to bring in two capitol hill veterans, budget committee member as well, martin frost of texas and david winston, he was aide to newt gingrich and adviser to newt gingrich's 2012 presidential campaign. i want to pick up where we left off last hour. gentlemen, you were making a point. my question is what happened to those talks between the president and john boehner. at one point they were 400 million apart and it was one whole heck of a lot of money and what happened? i think what happened is that the president decided that he was going to up the number from 800 to $1.2 trillion worth of revenue that he wanted. >> that took speaker boehner to the point where he didn't think they would go through the house and things began to fall apart at that point and they ended up going with this commission and i think it was frustrating to both men. my sense is the
cliff drama. most americans could see a rise in taxes and government spending cuts if government does not reach a deal before year's end, and i want to bring in two capitol hill veterans, budget committee member as well, martin frost of texas and david winston, he was aide to newt gingrich and adviser to newt gingrich's 2012 presidential campaign. i want to pick up where we left off last hour. gentlemen, you were making a point. my question is what happened to those talks between the president...
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now it is up to the house to stop the fiscal cliff. that's $600 billion of automatic tax hikes and spending cuts. at this hour, though, a vote by the house is not yet scheduled. a multiple representative took to the store today floor today vote would be no. >> i wish i could say this was a proud moment, a moment in which we started the year off right, in which the first of january was the first of great many good things. it isn't. we're kicking the can down the road. and worse than that, when faced with a mountain of debt that we were heading for, like an airplane, did we climb over it? no. what we're going to do in the present plan is put nearly another trillion dollars worth of debt on the american people. >> well, joining us now from capitol hill, representative peter welsh, democrat of vermont. we see some democrats moving to the podium. they are also scheduled to speak. congressman welsh, we don't want to interrupt you. so nancy pelosi stepping to the podium. let's take a quick listen. >> well, we just finished a standing room onl
now it is up to the house to stop the fiscal cliff. that's $600 billion of automatic tax hikes and spending cuts. at this hour, though, a vote by the house is not yet scheduled. a multiple representative took to the store today floor today vote would be no. >> i wish i could say this was a proud moment, a moment in which we started the year off right, in which the first of january was the first of great many good things. it isn't. we're kicking the can down the road. and worse than that,...
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cliff has finished. john boehner was at the white house today, trying to reach an agreement to avoid hundreds of billions of dollars of tax increases and spending cuts. no statement is expected anytime soon. we go live now to washington to war correspondent, ben. >> all of the participants at this meeting left without a word. i don't think we will hear from them the rest of the day. there is a great deal at stake and very little time left. it has been reported that president obama presented a plan to increase taxes on income over a quarter million dollars per year, as part of the deficit reduction plan to deal with american debt. he would probably say to the congressional leaders that need to figure out a way to get it through, but i think the expectations in washington of a deal are low with only three, four days left until the new year and the media tax hikes and spending cuts taking and -- kicking in. >> that means perhaps heading back into recession? >> yes, there is little doubt in washington about
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that we don't want to inflict on you, but would have to by the design of the fiscal cliff, that oh, by the way, we created a year and a half ago. they actually couldn't get the social security cuts through this time. but republicans have promised and obama will probably be happy to go along with it that in the next few months they're going to you know, take another crack at "entitlement reform." but i think that whether or not this deal ends up being a good one for -- for democrats, depends on whether or not the president holds firm in the commitment he made. that he will refuse to negotiate on the debt ceiling. he is saying forget it. i'm not even going to talk about it. i don't care what you want to give me to raise the debt ceiling, i don't care what you want about the debt ceiling, i'm not going to touch the debt ceiling. now what does that mean? does that mean he is going to pay the debts even if the republicans don't raise the debt ceiling. we don't know, but he has insisted, both in private and with his staff in his public statements and in private with others that this is a
that we don't want to inflict on you, but would have to by the design of the fiscal cliff, that oh, by the way, we created a year and a half ago. they actually couldn't get the social security cuts through this time. but republicans have promised and obama will probably be happy to go along with it that in the next few months they're going to you know, take another crack at "entitlement reform." but i think that whether or not this deal ends up being a good one for -- for democrats,...
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and they tried to explain that away and say this is the fiscal cliff. we have a fiscal grand canyon to deal with. and the president won round one and we'll sock it to him in round two, i don't know about that, two months, three months, we'll wait for round three and really get him. i mean, at one point this business of living to fight another day. you have to dig in your heels, by golly, this is important to the people of my country. >> that's not the most compromising view. but i appreciate your principles, sir. phil gingrey from the 11th in georgia. good to see you, happy new year. >> thank you so much. happy new year. >> he has not made up his mind yet. doesn't sound like a yes vote. >> based on data laid out there, doesn't sound like it. >> fairly safe to say. despite down to the wire fiscal cliff negotiations, somehow americans across the country managed to celebrate the arrival of the new year in spectacular style. the fiscal cliff not weighing them down at all. an estimated crowd of 1 million jammed into times square to watch the traditional ball
and they tried to explain that away and say this is the fiscal cliff. we have a fiscal grand canyon to deal with. and the president won round one and we'll sock it to him in round two, i don't know about that, two months, three months, we'll wait for round three and really get him. i mean, at one point this business of living to fight another day. you have to dig in your heels, by golly, this is important to the people of my country. >> that's not the most compromising view. but i...
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cliff has finished. john boehner was at the white house today, trying to reach an agreement to avoid hundreds of billions of dollars of tax increases and spending cuts. no statement is expected anytime soon. we go live now to washington to war correspondent, ben. >> all of the participants at this meeting left without a word. i don't think we will hear from them the rest of the day. there is a great deal at stake and very little time left. it has been reported that president obama presented a plan to increase taxes on income over a quarter million dollars per year, as part of the deficit reduction plan to deal with american debt. he would probably say to the congressional leaders that need to figure out a way to get it through, but i think the expectations in washington of a deal are low with only three, four days left until the new year and the media tax hikes and spending cuts taking and -- kicking in. >> that means perhaps heading back into recession? >> yes, there is little doubt in washington about
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. >> the fiscal cliff isn't the only looming deadline. geithner is warning the nation will hit their debt ceiling on new year's eve. how will it impact your wallet? we are joined by rich edson. nice to see you. what will it mean for everyone? >> if you are borrowing money that could be problem matt ag. analysts say if we surpass the debt ceiling, and the pressurery department can do accounting and buy us a little more time, about $200 billion more time. but if we do surpass that point, interest rates would go up if you are looking to borrow money. money invested in the stock market, analysts predict worldwide markets would have major problems. if you get payments from the government in any form, whether paidfy the government, whether your job is involve in the government or if you get social security checks, if you get veterans benefits, if your government pace your healthcare, all of that could be at risk if there's not enough money or borrowing authority to pay the bills. >> you mentioned the word extraordinary circumstances. what a nic
. >> the fiscal cliff isn't the only looming deadline. geithner is warning the nation will hit their debt ceiling on new year's eve. how will it impact your wallet? we are joined by rich edson. nice to see you. what will it mean for everyone? >> if you are borrowing money that could be problem matt ag. analysts say if we surpass the debt ceiling, and the pressurery department can do accounting and buy us a little more time, about $200 billion more time. but if we do surpass that...
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that were looming as part of that so-called fiscal cliff. just to briefly summarize for you, the senate bill will raise taxes on incomes of $450,000 for couples $400,000 for individuals, cuts $15 billion in spending while increase tax revenues by $620 billion. that's a 41-1 ratio of tax increases to spending cuts. the senate voted 89-8 in favor of the package. thousand putting it into the hands of the house. so now we are here. chief congressional correspondent mike emmanuel is live for us on capitol hill. mike, do you think they will act? we heard nancy pelosi asking for the straight up or down vote. take us through the steps. what would that involve? what does that mean? >> it is interesting, heather, listening to that. everybody on capitol hill is wondering what the house republicans thinks about the deal. the deal was struck by the vice president and the senate republican leader. the house republicans haven't embraced it yet. they have been meeting behind closed doors. there are a lot of questions about what they are hearing about republ
that were looming as part of that so-called fiscal cliff. just to briefly summarize for you, the senate bill will raise taxes on incomes of $450,000 for couples $400,000 for individuals, cuts $15 billion in spending while increase tax revenues by $620 billion. that's a 41-1 ratio of tax increases to spending cuts. the senate voted 89-8 in favor of the package. thousand putting it into the hands of the house. so now we are here. chief congressional correspondent mike emmanuel is live for us on...
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defense sector facing major cuts if we do go over the fiscal cliff. how that industry will be affected if we don't get a deal today, we'll talk about that after the break. stay with us. any way you want. fully customize it for your trading process -- from thought to trade, on every screen. and all in real time. which makes it just like having your own trading floor, right at your fingertips. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. try our easy-to-use scottrader streaming quotes. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. >>> they say the biggest priority is making sure we deal with the debt in a serious way. the way they're behaving is their only priority is making sure that tax breaks for the wealthiest americans are protected. >> there's no single issue that remains an impossible sticking point. the sticking point appears to be a willingness and interest, or frankly, the courage to close the deal. >> the deadline to get a deal done, steadily getting closer and closer. the defense industry wi
defense sector facing major cuts if we do go over the fiscal cliff. how that industry will be affected if we don't get a deal today, we'll talk about that after the break. stay with us. any way you want. fully customize it for your trading process -- from thought to trade, on every screen. and all in real time. which makes it just like having your own trading floor, right at your fingertips. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. try our easy-to-use scottrader...
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when they say cut spending, mean it. >> mean it. >> efficient the fiscal cliff, it should be called the obama cliff and swan dive over it. good idea or bad idea? >> yeah. i think that would be part of accepting all the consequences and letting the chips fall where they need to fall. but i think what the house republicans need to do especially, knowing that they had whatever mandate they did have after the election, house to be the opposition party, to stand for core limited government principles and not sell us down the river. particularly all the small business operators and entrepreneurs trying']jñ to kep their head above water. >> thank you very much. have great weekend. >> you too. >>> we have senate minority leader mitch mcconnell existing the meeting now. we're going to keep our eye out and hopefully one of these guys comes to a camera. in the watch it. former president george bush bush remains in intensive care but good news regarding his condition. we'll have the latest from outside his houston hospital coming up next. share everything. share brotherly love. share one up's. mo
when they say cut spending, mean it. >> mean it. >> efficient the fiscal cliff, it should be called the obama cliff and swan dive over it. good idea or bad idea? >> yeah. i think that would be part of accepting all the consequences and letting the chips fall where they need to fall. but i think what the house republicans need to do especially, knowing that they had whatever mandate they did have after the election, house to be the opposition party, to stand for core limited...
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we could tax all the rich people and cut their heads off and it wouldn't help the medicare fiscal cliff. we need to do both, and the president has to lead it. if he does, i'm ready to work with him and so are a lot of other republicans and democrats. >> so, mandy, a lot of different proposals floating around here in washington. a lot of ideas. a lot of attempts to read the minds of those key people in the room. >> eamon, is it true that some senators have left the boat and are fishing on their own for a deal? >> yeah. there are a couple of different proposals floating around out there now. you always have it in the senate, gangs of two, three, four, five senators put out their own ideas. at this late hour what the markets should focus on are the five leaders and the president that will be in that room. anything coming from any other senator is probably not fully baked enough to get through here at this point. it has to come from the leadership. >> eamon, thank you very much. appreciate it. >>> higher taxes is part of the cliff story. our next guest says there are other concerns that go
we could tax all the rich people and cut their heads off and it wouldn't help the medicare fiscal cliff. we need to do both, and the president has to lead it. if he does, i'm ready to work with him and so are a lot of other republicans and democrats. >> so, mandy, a lot of different proposals floating around here in washington. a lot of ideas. a lot of attempts to read the minds of those key people in the room. >> eamon, is it true that some senators have left the boat and are...
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cliff on overting tax hikes on middle income americas. they're still vague about delaying across-the-board spending cuts known as the sequester. stay with msnbc for more updates. now back to "hardball." >> let's dig into the turning points of general election. first up, the video that turned out to be the low point for the romney campaign. the candidates taped campaigns that half the americans are lazy. it's known as the 47% video. let's listen again. >> . >> never trust the caterers. anyway, republican national chairman committee man. i say that because i could not have been somebody who paid 1 $10,000 to go 234 there and then hurt the guy. >>> if u you're right about this election, it's the numbers. first of all, they occupy people. 1 pnt. all of the sudden, 1% became the thing to talk about. and then the 47% being anybody who's on any kind of government benefit program. whether it's disability or retirement or military or pension. everything was panted as bad. where did he get that number? >> well, look, you know, this election was all
cliff on overting tax hikes on middle income americas. they're still vague about delaying across-the-board spending cuts known as the sequester. stay with msnbc for more updates. now back to "hardball." >> let's dig into the turning points of general election. first up, the video that turned out to be the low point for the romney campaign. the candidates taped campaigns that half the americans are lazy. it's known as the 47% video. let's listen again. >> . >> never...
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. >> woodruff: this turned out to be a long day of waiting for final action on the "fiscal cliff" bill that cleared the senate early today. in the house, the measure ran into republican demands for more spending cuts, and its prospects for passage there dimmed. congress began the new year having missed its deadline to keep tax cuts from rising back to 1990's levels for most americans. and to prevent across-the-board spending cuts. instead, house republicans and democrats spent much of the day mulling a bill that cleared the senate shortly before 2:00 a.m. >> the yeah's are 89. the nays are 8. 60-vote threshold having been achieved the bill as amended is passed. >> woodruff: the senate bill makes permanent the bush era tax cuts for 99% of families, those with incomes under $450,000 a year. anything over that amount would be taxed at a rate of 39.6% up from the current 35. the agreement would raise the estate tax on large estates to 40%. but the payroll tax cut of the last two years would expire. the bill also extends unemployment benefits for a year and it stops a cut in medicare paymen
. >> woodruff: this turned out to be a long day of waiting for final action on the "fiscal cliff" bill that cleared the senate early today. in the house, the measure ran into republican demands for more spending cuts, and its prospects for passage there dimmed. congress began the new year having missed its deadline to keep tax cuts from rising back to 1990's levels for most americans. and to prevent across-the-board spending cuts. instead, house republicans and democrats spent...
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still question lines before we get to the finish line and avert the fiscal cliff. in two months, the voice president told democrats behind closed doors, there will be a donnybrook in vintage biden speak when we talk about the mandatory spending cuts that they delayed to the end of february. >> thank you so much. we'll be back in a moment with continuing coverage of negotiations on the fiscal cliff, please stay with us. the boys use capital one venture miles for their annual football trip. that's double miles you can actually use. tragically, their buddy got sacked by blackouts. but it's our tradition! that's roughing the card holder. but with the capital one venture card you get double miles you can actually use. [ cheering ] any flight, anytime. the scoreboard doesn't lie. what's in your wallet? hut! i have me on my fantasy team. like gas station sushi. or super cheap car insurance. and then there are good decisions. like esurance. their coverage counselor helps you choose the right coverage for you at a great price. [ stomach growls ] esurance. now backed by alls
still question lines before we get to the finish line and avert the fiscal cliff. in two months, the voice president told democrats behind closed doors, there will be a donnybrook in vintage biden speak when we talk about the mandatory spending cuts that they delayed to the end of february. >> thank you so much. we'll be back in a moment with continuing coverage of negotiations on the fiscal cliff, please stay with us. the boys use capital one venture miles for their annual football trip....
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cliff. >> spending cuts this is based on good intentions, a framework or agree to agree to spending cuts down the road and this is the criticism that historically, sort of ad nauseam, that there are those good intentions that never through. >> all of the republicans will hear grover norquist recite over and over, every time they promise spending cuts in exchange for tax hikes, the tax hikes came, the spending cuts never came. >> and how long will the road be in terms of what the subpoenaing cuts might or might not be? that will prolong the uncertainty in the market. and with the ceo conference call in the 6:00 hour, that should be very interesting. will we feel the effect of this in the first quarter earnings and gdp, other economic data points. >> it puts republican caucus in the house in the position of having to decide whether no deal is better than a bad deal. >> you know, melissa, if i could chime in, one thing, you didn't hear the president talking about the debt ceiling, and the treasury secretary says we'll start running up against the debt ceiling on monday. that's a very c
cliff. >> spending cuts this is based on good intentions, a framework or agree to agree to spending cuts down the road and this is the criticism that historically, sort of ad nauseam, that there are those good intentions that never through. >> all of the republicans will hear grover norquist recite over and over, every time they promise spending cuts in exchange for tax hikes, the tax hikes came, the spending cuts never came. >> and how long will the road be in terms of what...
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and president obama is cutting his vacation short to continue talks on the fiscal cliff. joining us now is dan henninger from the wawr wall street journ. does he want to go over the fiscal cliff? some are saying he needs more than he would just get from the rich guys. >> i doubt that he wants to go over the cliff. and i must say, president obama has repeatedly referred to himself as the unique politician, he's different than everyone. there is no politician i know would want to get into a situation like this. and barack obama marchs to his own drummer and it's possible, but i kind of doubt it. >> you wrote a piece in the wall street journal, called "no guardrails", you said the old society kept the politicians in order in washington, self-order and self-restraint. all of those disappeared as a result of the "me" generation and you say that obama is the epitome of a the "me" generation president that he sees things from his perspective and won't bend. >> the original metafor, you do have guardrails on a highway, people drive 75 miles per hour and occasionally someone gets
and president obama is cutting his vacation short to continue talks on the fiscal cliff. joining us now is dan henninger from the wawr wall street journ. does he want to go over the fiscal cliff? some are saying he needs more than he would just get from the rich guys. >> i doubt that he wants to go over the cliff. and i must say, president obama has repeatedly referred to himself as the unique politician, he's different than everyone. there is no politician i know would want to get into a...
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him to give me one word to describe his feelings entering this fiscal cliff shark tank. >> excitement. >> reporter: s this doomsday. >> but i'm confident -- this is doomsday. >> but i'm confident that congress will see the will of the people. >> reporter: he says he's excited about making sure his supporters know he is ready to hit the pavement running. one supporter in particular. >> my own mom at christmas dinner told me do not raise my taxes. she is following just like other americans what's going to happen with the fiscal cliff. >> reporter: representative elect swalwell says his new office in d.c. won't be much bigger, but the responsibilities monumental. his message? >> mom, i'm working for you. i'm receiving your text messages and i'm going to make sure that i stand up for you and the people who i grew up with. >> reporter: swalwell will be the second youngest member of congress when he's sworn in january 3rd. he leaves this sunday for washington d.c. to pick up his new keys to his office. in dublin juliette goodrich, cbs5. >> he better listen to mom. good luck. >>> a storm tha
him to give me one word to describe his feelings entering this fiscal cliff shark tank. >> excitement. >> reporter: s this doomsday. >> but i'm confident -- this is doomsday. >> but i'm confident that congress will see the will of the people. >> reporter: he says he's excited about making sure his supporters know he is ready to hit the pavement running. one supporter in particular. >> my own mom at christmas dinner told me do not raise my taxes. she is...
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. >>> for all we don't know about what a final fiscal cliff bill will look like, we do know it will be minimalist and not address the tough stuff, social security, medicare meaningful defense or cuts, et cetera. a time and phrase for this kind of nonaction. >> that is legislation and political kick the can at its worse. >> kick the can down the road when it comes to solving the larger problem. >> kicking the can down the road. >> in psychology someone who kicks the can down the road is a procrastinator or action phobic. in washington it is often accompanied by chronic wishful thinking. >> in politics, there is always a temptation to kick the can down the road hoping that long-term problems might simply disappear. >> the political version of kick the can is a bipartisan game with variations for every issue there is a can to be kicked. the budget. >> this is the kick the can down the road budget of the democrats. >> the spending bill that just kicks the can down the road and buys the administration time. >> wars. >> kicking the can down the road and letting future presidents find our way
. >>> for all we don't know about what a final fiscal cliff bill will look like, we do know it will be minimalist and not address the tough stuff, social security, medicare meaningful defense or cuts, et cetera. a time and phrase for this kind of nonaction. >> that is legislation and political kick the can at its worse. >> kick the can down the road when it comes to solving the larger problem. >> kicking the can down the road. >> in psychology someone who kicks...
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there's also a series of spending cuts that will also be triggered by the fiscal cliff. $1.2 trillion in sequestration will kick in beginning january 2nd. next year alone, $109 billion will be slashed. half from the defense budget and half from nondefense spending. the so-called doc fix would also go away, reducing medicare payments to doctors by 27%. and finally, unemployment benefits will run out for more than 2 million americans who have lost their jobs. benefits will only be available for up to 26 weeks, a drastic reduction from the 73 weeks available to some out-of-work americans. i want to go to sam stein, but first, dr. sachs, if we go over the cliff, it is the poor americans who will be hit the hardest, correct? >> well, there are parts of that where the poor will be hit the hardest. but if we make a deal right now of the kind that's being talked about, it's going to gut the federal budget for a decade to come. so we're on the brink either of these difficulties right now, which are real, or making terrible decisions that are going to lock us into a situation that we absolutely
there's also a series of spending cuts that will also be triggered by the fiscal cliff. $1.2 trillion in sequestration will kick in beginning january 2nd. next year alone, $109 billion will be slashed. half from the defense budget and half from nondefense spending. the so-called doc fix would also go away, reducing medicare payments to doctors by 27%. and finally, unemployment benefits will run out for more than 2 million americans who have lost their jobs. benefits will only be available for...
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cliff has finished. john boehner was at the white house today trying to reach an agreement to avoid hundreds of billions of dollars of tax increases and spending cuts. no statement is expected anytime soon. we go live now to washington to war correspondent, ben. >> all of the participants at this meeting left without a word. i don't think we will hear from them the rest of the day. there is a great deal at stake and very little time left. it has been reported that president obama presented a plan to increase taxes on income over a quarter million dollars per year, as part of the deficit reduction plan to deal with american debt. he would probably say to the congressional leaders that need to figure out a way to get it through, but i think the expectations in washington of a deal are low with only three, four days left until the new year and the media tax hikes and spending cuts taking and -- kicking in. >> that means perhaps heading back into recession? >> yes there is little doubt in washington about th
cliff has finished. john boehner was at the white house today trying to reach an agreement to avoid hundreds of billions of dollars of tax increases and spending cuts. no statement is expected anytime soon. we go live now to washington to war correspondent, ben. >> all of the participants at this meeting left without a word. i don't think we will hear from them the rest of the day. there is a great deal at stake and very little time left. it has been reported that president obama...
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put off for a couple of months. >> delayed. >> and that sets up the second fiscal cliff battle that washington will deal with and that is over the debt ceiling. explain that for folks who may not be following it. >> exactly. and you are right to point that out because these are two more battles really colliding with one another. kicking the can down the road, both parties on the sequester. two months from now we back here dealing with again whether or not they can come up with more spending cuts, more tax increases according to how the president is now saying it, he is saying it should be a split. he said that earlier at his event here that was criticized by republicans for looking like a campaign rally, looking like he was doing a victory lap. they deny that here and say the president was just rehe stating his principles here but he said this should be split between more are revenue and more spending cuts not just spending cuts. that is going to be controversial with republicans as you know. in two months they have to come back and buy down more of the sequester and shut it down mo
put off for a couple of months. >> delayed. >> and that sets up the second fiscal cliff battle that washington will deal with and that is over the debt ceiling. explain that for folks who may not be following it. >> exactly. and you are right to point that out because these are two more battles really colliding with one another. kicking the can down the road, both parties on the sequester. two months from now we back here dealing with again whether or not they can come up with...
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cliff, he can blame the republicans and he can do the tax cuts on the rich thing, he's the president. i mean, you know, as has been said, we don't really remember who the leader of the house was when hoover was president. i mean, you know -- ultimately it's his economy. >> it's his country and it's his economy and it's his government but i think one of the things that is instructive is that we are now down to such a tiny perspective deal, the tough issues are not being dealt with at all. even the sequestration which was supposed to be so horrible, these automatic cuts in defense, so horrible that we would never let them happen will almost certainly happen because there is not time to deal with that in the next 24 hours. >> it's a sad -- >> the frustrating thing for me isn't this what we really need to do? i think washington is incapable of making a deal that will help the country. what we're talking about here is a deal that's going to help the politicians. it'll help the president. we're arguing it's going to help boehner. that is not the problem. the problem is we have a really big
cliff, he can blame the republicans and he can do the tax cuts on the rich thing, he's the president. i mean, you know, as has been said, we don't really remember who the leader of the house was when hoover was president. i mean, you know -- ultimately it's his economy. >> it's his country and it's his economy and it's his government but i think one of the things that is instructive is that we are now down to such a tiny perspective deal, the tough issues are not being dealt with at all....
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otherwise, the so-called "fiscal cliff" looms on january 1. that's when automatic tax hikes and spending cuts go into effect. senate majority leader harry reid says even if something gets done now there may not be enough time to get it through congress. we'll just wait to see what happens. >> we have been waiting a long time. >> i know. >> hopefully the deadline will help. >>> we have a big holiday weekend and a wee bit of rain. >> that's this afternoon the right now it's cold. that's what we'll focus on in the meantime. cold temperatures are dipping below freezing now. look at fairfield, that's just dropped to 31 degrees. some people scraping some frost off their windshields this morning. 39 in vallejo. 35 santa rosa. so all that blue tells us it's chilly. and unfortunately by this afternoon, well, i guess it's fortunately if you like the cold weather, but it is going to be slightly cooler today than yesterday. a lot of low 50s. 52 santa rosa. only 50 in fairfield. a little more mild around the bay, 54 in oakland and fremont. as frank just me
otherwise, the so-called "fiscal cliff" looms on january 1. that's when automatic tax hikes and spending cuts go into effect. senate majority leader harry reid says even if something gets done now there may not be enough time to get it through congress. we'll just wait to see what happens. >> we have been waiting a long time. >> i know. >> hopefully the deadline will help. >>> we have a big holiday weekend and a wee bit of rain. >> that's this...
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because even if we get something that avoids the fiscal cliff by some makeshift deal, it's not addressing the real problem, and the real problem is somehow we're going to come up with $1.2 trillion or more in revenue and significant spending cuts on all sides including military cuts and entitlement cuts so we can actually put our debt under control. until we do that, all we're doing is kicking the can down the road. now, is there a value to kicking the can down the road in avoiding the fiscal cliff? yes. but if they go over the cliff and then fix it in the next week with another stopgap, is there any real harm? who knows. if that make it is easier for republicans to vote for it, is it a disaster? probably not. but understand we had seven weeks in which we could have a done a big deal which would have gotten the debt under control, would have caused the economy to -- it would have been a catalyst to have this economy take off, and we blew it. we blew it. >> you know, governor dean, to that point here we are essentially looking over the abyss of the fiscal cliff, and i know you have said in
because even if we get something that avoids the fiscal cliff by some makeshift deal, it's not addressing the real problem, and the real problem is somehow we're going to come up with $1.2 trillion or more in revenue and significant spending cuts on all sides including military cuts and entitlement cuts so we can actually put our debt under control. until we do that, all we're doing is kicking the can down the road. now, is there a value to kicking the can down the road in avoiding the fiscal...
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cliff most of the attention is about taxes going up and that being the so called fiscal cliff but the other side of that cliff is that the massive spending cuts automatic cuts are kicking in at the beginning of next year. largely targeted at the pentagon. and what is interesting is all of this deal making we are talking about on capitol hill would really just focus on unemployment benefits and tax side of the cliff as i mentioned and most of deals it appears would not shut off the so called sequester that would hit the pentagon. on "fox news sunday" senator lindsey graham told chris wallace he got a call from the defense secretary suggesting these cuts are coming. lake a listen. >> i was called by leon panetta at 7:30 during dinner. >> secretary of defense. >> this is the failure of the supercommittee to find $1.2 trillion in cuts. half of the 1.2 falls on defense who already cut. he says if we do this we will shoot the defense department in the head and send out 800,000 layoff notices the beginning of the year. he is worried to death if we don't fix sequestration we will destroy the
cliff most of the attention is about taxes going up and that being the so called fiscal cliff but the other side of that cliff is that the massive spending cuts automatic cuts are kicking in at the beginning of next year. largely targeted at the pentagon. and what is interesting is all of this deal making we are talking about on capitol hill would really just focus on unemployment benefits and tax side of the cliff as i mentioned and most of deals it appears would not shut off the so called...
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. >> reporter: the fiscal cliff preoccupation hab about taxes but there's another part, across-the-board cuts, and they are preparing to send out furlough noticees, and apply want quester. >> o'donnell: the white house is preparing to do that? >> reporter: it that's. because the deadline is approaching. it cannot reasonably ignore the law, and misapplying. so it is now preparing to send out a variety of notices to federal contractors, the contract is suspended or canceled. or to tell various agency the-- the t.s.a., f.a.a., all through the federal government, lay people off, this is real, because they seaport negotiations are not getting anywhere near a deal and they have to prepare for the cutting side of the fiscal cliff, not just the taxes. >> o'donnell: and, nancy, if there is no deal, what happens next on monday? >> reporter: essentially we move to plan b, where senates democrat introduce their own plan in the senate that caps the bush tax cuts ap at $250,000 or less, extends long-term unemployment benefits, maybe imposing spending cuts to push off the sequester for six months or a
. >> reporter: the fiscal cliff preoccupation hab about taxes but there's another part, across-the-board cuts, and they are preparing to send out furlough noticees, and apply want quester. >> o'donnell: the white house is preparing to do that? >> reporter: it that's. because the deadline is approaching. it cannot reasonably ignore the law, and misapplying. so it is now preparing to send out a variety of notices to federal contractors, the contract is suspended or canceled. or...
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president obama cutting his vacation short a comeback for the fiscal cliff tops. the senate is open for business and senate majority leader urging speaker of the house to pass the senate version. it keeps the taxes from going up on americans making less than $250,000 a year. speaker banner has already had problems trying to get the deal past to raise taxes on of americans making over $8 million a year. the $250,000 limit will not fly. >> sent this three authorization it goes right to the president that if we except the house bill and get it signed. if it goes past the first of the program goes down. the program is interrupted. this is important. it has the support of national security the attorney general air coulter and other national security officials who have made clear as to the importance of this. at this time following my remarks i would like to enter the letters into the record. >> here on the floor the senate it is getting back to work trying to get the house to attending. president obama just getting off of air force one right now. he has already made ph
president obama cutting his vacation short a comeback for the fiscal cliff tops. the senate is open for business and senate majority leader urging speaker of the house to pass the senate version. it keeps the taxes from going up on americans making less than $250,000 a year. speaker banner has already had problems trying to get the deal past to raise taxes on of americans making over $8 million a year. the $250,000 limit will not fly. >> sent this three authorization it goes right to the...
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nothing going over the fiscal cliff. let the tax cut expire. come back in, offer the tax cuts for people under 250. call them obama cuts and get it going. if you are in congress. you make $175,000 a year. you get vacation days off. they go back and smoke cigars, eat steak, drink wine and laugh. >> andrea: is there something wrong with eating and drinking? if with pay them to do it. >> eric: they want to hit the buffet line. >> andrea: do it on their own time. not when the country is in a financial crisis. i think obama gets a superhero cape after this. >> andrea: people say republican goes down either way on this. but the house and the senate, this last election by blaming republicans. does he think he will get blamed for this? no. he figures i can do whatever i want. leave the republicans out for dead. >> eric: he is winning the messaging game. that is clear. >> andrea: i say that with confidence. he was able to say look, i was willing to meet them halfway. more than 50%. they don't want to work with us together. he is coming off strong, comin
nothing going over the fiscal cliff. let the tax cut expire. come back in, offer the tax cuts for people under 250. call them obama cuts and get it going. if you are in congress. you make $175,000 a year. you get vacation days off. they go back and smoke cigars, eat steak, drink wine and laugh. >> andrea: is there something wrong with eating and drinking? if with pay them to do it. >> eric: they want to hit the buffet line. >> andrea: do it on their own time. not when the...
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cliff? >> first thing i would do is start going through the budget looking for places we can cut. >> every year the accountability office comes out with a report details hundreds of billions in waste, fraud and duplicated services. let's start cutting first. let's make the government do what american citizens have to do when things get bad. we have to tighten our belts. why doesn't the government have to do the same thing? that would be the first thing to do. i'm willing to bet we could get enough cuts in there that we could get us down to a balanced budget within a fairly short time. >>> judson phillips, great to have you on this morning, sir. thanks for your time. >> thomas, as always, thank you. >>>. mayor of marlboro new jersey coming uncriticism. the mayor will join mess next in studio. our big question -- should teachers be allowed to carry concealed weapons? [ male announcer ] this is sheldon, whose long dy setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or t
cliff? >> first thing i would do is start going through the budget looking for places we can cut. >> every year the accountability office comes out with a report details hundreds of billions in waste, fraud and duplicated services. let's start cutting first. let's make the government do what american citizens have to do when things get bad. we have to tighten our belts. why doesn't the government have to do the same thing? that would be the first thing to do. i'm willing to bet we...
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what we're doing here, we are not going to offset the fiscal cliff, just doing the bush tax cuts. we'll only take away about 11%, 12% of total economic impact of the so-called fiscal cliff, all of the policies brought together because you'll be letting the payroll tax expire, the refundable tax cuts expire, and the sequester will be doing and we won't be doing much deficit reduction. we'll be increasing the deficit. it is just, i think, hard to step back and take in the totality of congressional failure around this issue. >> well, let's talk about what exactly is likely to happen or is the threat of what will happen. talk about the pentagon. talk about federal workers. talk about obviously the unemploy unemployed whose benefits are going away. >> absolutely. the biggest -- the most dangerous thing, the fiscal cliff is the unemployment insurance. if we go over for a month we can sort of trick everything else. we can -- the irs can do some tricks to make it so you don't feel tax increases quickly. we can do tricks to make it so we don't lay off people at pentagon, we can furlough th
what we're doing here, we are not going to offset the fiscal cliff, just doing the bush tax cuts. we'll only take away about 11%, 12% of total economic impact of the so-called fiscal cliff, all of the policies brought together because you'll be letting the payroll tax expire, the refundable tax cuts expire, and the sequester will be doing and we won't be doing much deficit reduction. we'll be increasing the deficit. it is just, i think, hard to step back and take in the totality of...
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economy will go off the so- called "fiscal cliff." that's when automatic spending increases and cuts would take effect. reaching a deal won't be easy because both sides are involved in a high stakes political blame game. >> we are here in washington working while the members of the house of representatives are out watching movies and watching the kids play soccer and basketball and doing all kinds of things. they should be here. >> i told the president we would be happy to look at wah he proposes but the truth is we are coming up against a hard deadline and as i said this is a conversation we should have had months ago. >> reporter: democrats want to extend the bush-era tax cuts to everyone except those americans making $250,000 or more a year. many republicans are against any tax increases. most americans just want something to be done. >> people are just tired of partisanship and they want everyone to come together. >> reporter: if lawmakers don't reach a deal by january 1, many economists are concerned it could eventually lead to a
economy will go off the so- called "fiscal cliff." that's when automatic spending increases and cuts would take effect. reaching a deal won't be easy because both sides are involved in a high stakes political blame game. >> we are here in washington working while the members of the house of representatives are out watching movies and watching the kids play soccer and basketball and doing all kinds of things. they should be here. >> i told the president we would be happy to...
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there were not enough votes, so that is why we are facing this fiscal cliff right now. nancy pelosi, harry reid, for six years they knew this was coming. last term of president obama, there was no budget passed. nobody is talking, the liberal media is not talking. they are hiding the bills that were passed in the house to be tabled and never brought up and never be accountable for. i hold the republicans accountable, too, because they did not step up to the mike and point the finger towards the blame. i have another question to ask. obama asked for complete congressional powers about being able to pull up and give any amount of money that he wanted, taking those powers away from the house. i think that is completely ludicrous. as far as the last caller asking out the democrats and republicans, that me see, if the democrats put a bill together and the republicans don't vote for it, they are mad at it, but if the republicans put a bill and let's say cave to the democrats, there is no bipartisan. i have never seen the democrats actually cave and take care of the fiscal cli
there were not enough votes, so that is why we are facing this fiscal cliff right now. nancy pelosi, harry reid, for six years they knew this was coming. last term of president obama, there was no budget passed. nobody is talking, the liberal media is not talking. they are hiding the bills that were passed in the house to be tabled and never brought up and never be accountable for. i hold the republicans accountable, too, because they did not step up to the mike and point the finger towards the...
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but that's cutting pretty close, as you can imagine, because we go over the fiscal cliff as of monday night without a deal. so pretty tight timeline there. >> what is the thinking at this point, dana bash, that most congressional leaders feel like going over the cliff, whether they will say it publicly is one thing, but going over the cliff might be better, because on the other end of it, you can vote for tax cuts versus raising taxes for a certain number of americans, politically speaking, isn't that a better scenario for them? >> it may politically be a better secenario for some congresspeople. but it will be a catastrophe because of public opinion, the way markets would respond on january 2nd. i think politically obviously it saves a little face, particularly for some republicans who don't want to vote for tax increases. taxes increase automatically, but it isn't without consequences and we're trying to get a sense today -- the meeting that you mentioned, 3:00 p.m. at the white house, congressional leaders with the president and vice president. coming out of that, i think we may ha
but that's cutting pretty close, as you can imagine, because we go over the fiscal cliff as of monday night without a deal. so pretty tight timeline there. >> what is the thinking at this point, dana bash, that most congressional leaders feel like going over the cliff, whether they will say it publicly is one thing, but going over the cliff might be better, because on the other end of it, you can vote for tax cuts versus raising taxes for a certain number of americans, politically...
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. >>> we talked about the effect of hitting the fiscal cliff on american taxpayers. what about businesss? what about businesses? rick newman of u.s. news and world reports tells us they're cutting back already. >> to say that business leaders are anxious i think is an understatement. i think they're thoroughly disgusted because you couldn't run a business like this, and they all know that. it is just kind of driving them crazy. but business leaders have been watching this for a long time, don. unlike a lot of consumers who may have just started paying attention over the last couple of weeks. business leaders have known this is coming for a long time. they know how ugly and dysfunctional it was in 2011 when we went through something similar with the debt ceiling. and they have more or less been expecting the same thing. so what we have seen over the last couple of months is that business activity has really slowed down. >> rick newman, u.s. news and world reports. why don't we remind you once again, that meeting is under way at the white house. at the white house, bet
. >>> we talked about the effect of hitting the fiscal cliff on american taxpayers. what about businesss? what about businesses? rick newman of u.s. news and world reports tells us they're cutting back already. >> to say that business leaders are anxious i think is an understatement. i think they're thoroughly disgusted because you couldn't run a business like this, and they all know that. it is just kind of driving them crazy. but business leaders have been watching this for a...
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but avoiding the fiscal cliff is really not the goal here. cutting the deficit is. this is a case of gigantic political friendly fire in my view. we're targeting the wrong enemy. we should be targeting the deficit. >> i've read, dan, more carefully and it's extremely insightful. and one of the things that i take from you is that you're a markets guy who thinks about macro, and not just u.s. macro, but global macro. what i don't get about what you're saying now -- one thing i get very much about what you're saying now is a small deal doesn't solve anything except the immediate cliff problem and that's not the only problem we have. it's actually relatively minor, i agree with you. but if we engage in $500 billion fiscal contraction next year i think we're going to have a recession. as a guy who pays attention to macro, how does that help anybody? >> well, look, i actually -- one of the reasons i said, and it was a provocation of saying, the fiscal cliff, after the election, my view of where this was going was exactly where we are this morning. which is probably why yo
but avoiding the fiscal cliff is really not the goal here. cutting the deficit is. this is a case of gigantic political friendly fire in my view. we're targeting the wrong enemy. we should be targeting the deficit. >> i've read, dan, more carefully and it's extremely insightful. and one of the things that i take from you is that you're a markets guy who thinks about macro, and not just u.s. macro, but global macro. what i don't get about what you're saying now -- one thing i get very much...